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MMM-International => International Board => Thema gestartet von: Kaktus am 08. Februar 2007, 04:13:06
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I was wondering what is the best way to translate Achmed's dialect into English.
Achmed trägt sich einen Hut.
Achmed wears himself a hat.
That's how I would do it. Would you do it the same way? Or do you have other suggestions?
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That is right. Achmed still uses his own name, when I wants to say his actions.
Example:
Achmed needs a new soap.
Achmed has to take a bath.
etc.
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I think the question was mainly about the grammar.
I'd remove the 3rd-person-s: "Achmed wear a hat."
Vergangenheit: "Achmed was wear a hat."
Zukunft: "Achmed going be wear a hat."
Anderes Beispiel: "Achmed hat sich wissen wollen, ob Bernard seine Brille auch beim Schlafen aufhat?"
"Achmed was want to know if Bernard wear glasses in his sleep, too, no?"
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So the tenses are:
Past: Achmed + was + infinitive
Present: Achmed + infinitve
Future: Achmed + going be + infinitive
But what about the "sich". I'm not happy with just leaving it out.
In German it is a reflexive pronoun. So the translation would be "himself".
But I think it is too long to sound like Achmed says it by accident.
So I think we could use a smaller word like "him" or "his".
Achmed isst sich eine Pizza.
Achmed eat a pizza.
Achmed eat himself a pizza.
Achmed eat him a pizza.
Achmed eat his a pizza.
I think 'him' sounds best.
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My point is that the use of "sich" is a typical mistake of Arabs speaking German. A proper translation should take the fact into consideration that Achmed now is an arabian guy trying to speak English.
Anything else would be translating a wrong translation from Arabian to German to English.
I have no idea of the typical grammatical mistakes Arabs make when speaking English, though.
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I don't agree with you. Also Arabian language has a first person, so Achmed isn't talking an Arabian dialect anyway, he uses his own special dialect.
So the question is not how any Arab would try to speak English but how Achmed as we Germans known and loved him would speak English. And thats why I still think the "sich" may not be missing.
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I argee with Khrismuc. You can't just translate "sich" directly into English, that would be more confusing than funny.
You should use typical English mistakes instead. IMO Khrismuc's translation is pretty good.
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Hey Leute, ich will ja nichts sagen, aber da nur bislang deutsche User miteinander kommunizieren (ich lasse Bayern ausnahmsweise mal gelten! ;D), sollten wir eigentlich beim nächsten Mal einfach beim deutschen bleiben, okay?!? ;D
Aber naja, back to the roots; I agree with KhrisMUC and Problem. I think that we don't need an extra word like "be" for the english sentences of Achmed.
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Hey Leute, ich will ja nichts sagen, aber da nur bislang deutsche User miteinander kommunizieren (ich lasse Bayern ausnahmsweise mal gelten! ;D)
falls du es noch nicht gehört hast: österreich gehört auch nicht mehr zu deutschland ;) ;D
dieser thread soll ja wohl eher dazu dienen, achmed nicht deutsch sprechenden entwicklern achmeds art zu reden zu erklären ;)
(dieser post ist natürlich für nicht-deutsch-sprechende gänzlich unwichtig, also is er auch in deutsch ;D )
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ein "international board" ohne internationals (ausgenommen deutsche muttersprachler)
da währe ein [english]-präfix nicht schlecht, die armen engländer und die noch ärmeren a...
naja, die wollen ja nicht x-threads durchsuchen um mal was auf englisch zu finden^^
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Ok, then I am outvoted, so we should take khrismuc's suggestion.
beim nächsten Mal einfach beim deutschen bleiben, okay?!? ;D
International Board ->International language -> English
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Weil ich es in letzter Zeit öfter lese: sein, es ist, es war, es wäre
My suggestion was just that, a suggestion. I'm almost certain there are much better ways of getting the point across.
At least in english movies, Arabian people know their grammar but speak with a strong accent instead.
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Hey Leute, ich will ja nichts sagen, aber da nur bislang deutsche User miteinander kommunizieren (ich lasse Bayern ausnahmsweise mal gelten! ;D)
falls du es noch nicht gehört hast: österreich gehört auch nicht mehr zu deutschland ;) ;D
Genau, und zwar seit so...ungefähr, ..........lasst mich überlegen........ende vom 1. Weltkrieg?
War aber erst vor kurzem, kommt vllt noch in den Nachrichten! ;D
@KhrisMUC: Vllt kann man ja ein paar buchstaben ändern, um den Dialekt anzudeuten, hier ein Beispiel:
Deutsch - Deutsch mit Französischem dialekt:
Franz fuhr mit dem verwahrlosesten Taxi quer durch ganz Bayern - Franz fu´r mit dem verwa´rlosesten Taxt quer dursch ganz bayern
oder:
Ein Haus ist grün und die Sonne scheint noch blau und ich heiße George - Ein ´Aus ist Grün ünd die Sonne scheint noch bleu und isch ´eiße Schorsch
In diesem fall ist der Akzentschlüssel so:
H = ` (z.B. Haus = ´Aüs)
ch = sch am Wortende(z.B. ich = isch)
G = Sch (z.B. George = Schorsch)
u = Ü (z.B. Dumm = Dümm)
au = eu (z.B. Blau = Bleu)
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Aus ist Grun
Es ist genau andersrum. Die Franzosen verwandeln das ü nicht in ein u, sondern das u in ein ü. Also "Ein ´Aüs ist Grün und die Sonne scheint noch blaü und isch ´eiße Schorsch" , wobei man das blaü eigentlich in bleue (wie in Cordon bleue) umwandeln sollte!
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Le Cordon -> bleu.
"Bleue" est la forme féminine. ;)
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merci beaucoup.
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I found a .pdf where are noted frequently mistaked done by Arab speakers where they're learning Spanish. Could be very in handy in order to translate Achmed "dialect":
http://www.mec.es/redele/biblioteca2005/rodriguez.shtml
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Well I don't know any German but from what i see there being the "stupid American" as to what you are trying to say is if he says it then "Achmed wears his hat" if someone else is saying it then its "Achmed put on his hat" English is definitly the easiest language to learn grammer wise. But mine is only if you are looking for how it would sound if someone speaking english would say it (I really need to translate my page hehe I can't figure out the buttons)
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I know the topic is old, but just as an idea, why don't we go for a completely different approach? Instead of trying to emulate Achmed's German accent, we could try something own and original.
Does anyone know the "Arabic" rap group "Group X"? They invented a fairly original and funny English slang. Reading some of their lyrics and listening to some of their songs could be a great inspiration for Achmed's accent in English.
Here's one random song of them, just as an example: